tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post3833817333003867499..comments2024-03-26T00:16:20.578-07:00Comments on the far sight 2.0: Group-Shotleohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-2504398351685448402008-10-27T06:30:00.000-07:002008-10-27T06:30:00.000-07:00Plus: I just recognized that #25, who was original...Plus: I just recognized that #25, who was originally placed as Marella, does look suspiciously like Traglia!<BR/>This means that we pretty much did it! Yay us!<BR/><BR/>I'll wait for two more days to see if anybody does come up with any corrections, then I am going to post the final list.leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-19683393550242499262008-10-27T05:39:00.000-07:002008-10-27T05:39:00.000-07:00Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was distracted ...Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was distracted by Marella having already been placed (explanation, not excuse).<BR/>The best thing is that this restores the correct hierarchical order.<BR/>The book 'Dictionnaire des arts liturgiques' has a number of photos of Marella: there is no doubt that 28 is he.<BR/>I am sure we are all agreed that some guess work is involved here, given the quality of the photograph and the obscurity of the less long lived cardinals. Fietta, for example, was a papal diplomat, and a cardinal for less than two years. It is no wonder that he is less immediately recognizable to us than men like Tisserant, Canali, and Pizzardo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-43541318425363178972008-10-27T05:05:00.000-07:002008-10-27T05:05:00.000-07:00Thanks a lot, anonymous.I'm not trying to torpedo ...Thanks a lot, anonymous.<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to torpedo the great job but am just asking out of curiosity: Could 28 also be Marella (because of the shades and the pointy ears)?leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-36801646724919136832008-10-26T17:30:00.000-07:002008-10-26T17:30:00.000-07:00To complete the job:3) Fietta (who died 1 X 1960, ...To complete the job:<BR/><BR/>3) Fietta (who died 1 X 1960, the earliest of those shown here)<BR/><BR/>5) Urbani<BR/><BR/>The hierarchy of the senate of the Pope, grouped around their Holy Father: cardinal deacons to the Pope's left, from the most to the least senior, ending with Bacci; cardinal bishops to the Pope's right, ending with G. Cicognani; the cardinal priests, beginning with the very senior Tappouni and continuing down the list (remember that the circle is broken for the sake of the photograph, and thus Chiarlo at the extreme left is just senior to A. Cigognani at the extreme right)) to Tardini of the promotion of 1958. At this point the logic breaks down, with Traglia, the most junior of the cardinal priests present, following Tardini, and being himself followed by the senior Testa, Muench, and Marella, who are not in their own proper order amongst themselves.<BR/>Oh well, nobody's perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-8250182354062953572008-10-26T15:34:00.000-07:002008-10-26T15:34:00.000-07:0020) Jullien28) Traglia20) Jullien<BR/><BR/>28) TragliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-51341430107334876142008-10-26T10:58:00.000-07:002008-10-26T10:58:00.000-07:00Alright!Four to go!Alright!<BR/>Four to go!leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-87060592912551966862008-10-26T10:50:00.000-07:002008-10-26T10:50:00.000-07:0026) Aloysius Cardinal Muench!26) Aloysius Cardinal Muench!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-43900933623303616702008-10-26T10:09:00.000-07:002008-10-26T10:09:00.000-07:00Thanks Fr. Selvester!Now we can really start filli...Thanks Fr. Selvester!<BR/><BR/>Now we can really start filling in the blanks!<BR/><BR/>1.) Chiarlo<BR/>2.) Cento<BR/>3.) ?<BR/>4.) Giobbe<BR/>5.) ?<BR/>6.) Montini<BR/>7.) Ciriaci<BR/>8.) Agagianian<BR/>9.) Copello<BR/>10.) Tappouni<BR/>11.) Cicognani, G.<BR/>12.) Mimmi (Borgangini-Duca died in 1954)<BR/>13.) Aloisi Masella<BR/>14.) Pizzardo<BR/>15.) Micara<BR/>16.) Tisserant<BR/>Blessed John XXIII<BR/>17.) Canali<BR/>18.) Ottaviani<BR/>19.) di Jorio<BR/>20.) ?<BR/>21.) Morano<BR/>22.) Heard<BR/>23.) Bea (never would have figured that one out)<BR/>24.) Bacci<BR/>25.) Marella<BR/>26.) ?<BR/>27.) Testa<BR/>28.) ?<BR/>29.) Tardini<BR/>30.) Confalonieri<BR/>31.) Cicognani, A.<BR/><BR/>Come on, people! Only 5 questionmarks left! Help!leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-36974578346700075312008-10-26T09:36:00.000-07:002008-10-26T09:36:00.000-07:00The best I can do (I'm afraid) off the top of my h...The best I can do (I'm afraid) off the top of my head is (left to right):<BR/><BR/>1. ?<BR/>2. ?<BR/>3. ?<BR/>4. ?<BR/>5. ?<BR/>6. Montini<BR/>7. Ciriaci<BR/>8. Agagianian<BR/>9. ?<BR/>10. ?<BR/>11. Gaetano Cicognani<BR/>12. Borgongini-Duca<BR/>13. Aloisi Masella<BR/>14. Pizzardo<BR/>15. Micara<BR/>16. Tisserant<BR/>Blessed John XXIII<BR/>17. Canali<BR/>18. Ottaviani<BR/>19. di Jorio<BR/>20. ?<BR/>21. ?<BR/>22. Heard<BR/>23. Bea<BR/>24. ?<BR/>25. Marella<BR/>26. ?<BR/>27. Testa<BR/>28. ?<BR/>29. Tardini<BR/>30. Confalonieri<BR/>31. Ameleto Cicognani<BR/><BR/>You probably had most of these already as well.Fr. Selvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07300236548638467137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-234052679686540272008-10-25T13:08:00.000-07:002008-10-25T13:08:00.000-07:00Good one, anonymous. We're getting there!Good one, anonymous. We're getting there!leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-18078906409173342332008-10-25T10:38:00.000-07:002008-10-25T10:38:00.000-07:00We also want to remember, to further narrow the ti...We also want to remember, to further narrow the time frame, that Nicola Cardinal Canali, at the immediate left of the Pope, died on Aug 3, 1961.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-66657844904301486622008-10-25T09:11:00.000-07:002008-10-25T09:11:00.000-07:00Probably not. I think I'm spotting both Testa and ...Probably not. I think I'm spotting both Testa and Bacci in the right half of the photo. They only became cardinals in 1959 resp. 1960.leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766449347650769390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788597350558705025.post-71856402272001867592008-10-25T08:49:00.000-07:002008-10-25T08:49:00.000-07:00Could the photo be taken December 15, 1958 where M...Could the photo be taken December 15, 1958 where Montini (sixth from left) was created Cardinal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com