Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Bishop Torres again

Reader Latinmass made a comment on the much disputed (bishop, yes or no?) portrait of Manuel Torres y Torres, bishop of Plasencia. He referred to a photo of said bishop in which he is standing next to a cardinal.

Here is the photo. The cardinal is Enrique Almaraz y Santos, archbishop of Seville from 1907 to 1920 and archbishop of Toledo from 1920 to 1922. As Latinmass pointed out, here you can see bishop Torres in proper bishop's robes.

7 comments:

latinmass1983 said...

That is the picture I was talking about!

John said...

one has to love the casual taking-a-walk-with-cappa look of the pic.

crh said...

The facial expressions do seem to denote an interrupted deep conversation which would properly have been taking place during a nice leisurely stroll, and they would of course need to have been dressed with dignity.

leo said...

Yes and no. The look and feel of the pic certainly points towards a kind of intimate conversation. On the other hand I find it hard to picture a cardinal getting into the cappa just for the sake of taking a stroll. My bet is they were caught separated from the rest of the gang before or after a liturgical function.

Anonymous said...

I seem to have read (or at least I think I did) that bishops outside their ecclesiastical jurisdictions wore the mantelletta over their rochet and wore their mozzettas over their rochets when within the confines of their jurisdictions, but are they supposed to wear "mozzetta" and "mantelletta" together?
Wasn't the "Mozzetta-Mantelletta" combination prescribed for cardinals in the Holy See as their Ordinary Dress before the advent of the "Abito Piano"? or am I wrong on this?

leo said...

Anon: go to this older post and you'll find some typical photos of Spanish prelates along with some good explanations in the comments.

Vergessenheit a.ka. "Anoymous" said...

I say! thanks for the link. it explains everything. Many thanks to M. Anonymous for his wealth of information. I've spotted everything he mentioned except the "tassle on the skullcap".